I posted the following as an answer to Ken Anderson in this thread at CCK08 http://ltc.umanitoba.ca/moodle/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=1060#p6572
What I meant by seeing power as relational was that:
- rather than describing power relations between A and B (I was thinking people here) as A has power over B
- we could describe these relations by saying how each of A and B affect and are affected by the (power) relations between them
(Health warning; although I was once a secondary school Maths teacher, my experience is a little out of date)
So for example with students and teachers in a hypothetical class
T(eacher) instructs students that Pi = 3.142 when teaching a class on finding the area of a circle.
S(tudent )1 accepts that and uses that value in his calculation. He accepts the knowledge of Pi from the teacher without question
S2 spends a little time researching Pi and discovers that 3.142 is an approximation. In her homework answers, she explains why she has chosen to use a value of Pi to 10 decimal places, whilst still recognising that her answer is still an approximation, but a better one than she would have achieved by using 3.142.
Scenario A
T gives slightly higher mark to S1 than S2. S1 and S2 compare notes, and both decide that T has missed an opportunity to share something interesting with the class. T goes down in estimation of S1 and S2, who are getting confirmed in their view that school maths is pretty boring. S2 thinks that she won’t bother to research around the subject in future but use her internet skills for learning about stuff within her control.
Scenario B
T gives top marks to S1 and S2, and uses the opportunity to highlight S2’s research to the class, going on to talk about the provisional nature of knowledge, the value of estimation (depending on context of problem) and the opportunity for students to challenge working assumptions. All students have opportunity to extend on basic knowledge from instruction, they see resourceful behaviour being recognised, and S2’s work is validate by T, as well as being enjoyable in its own right. T is seen (by some students at least) as someone who recognises that knowledge is open to question, and is not threatened by challenges from students.
A relational view of power would go beyond the question:
In which scenario does T have more power over the students?
The question wouldn’t really make sense. A better question might be:
In which scenario do students have more effective agency? If student goals were passing standard tests, the answer might be Scenario A. If student goals were learning and having fun, then maybe B.
It’s pretty complicated thinking about knowledge, power, agency and context, and for these scenarios the important power relations may go way beyond the classroom context - institution, parents, government, etc.












4 responses so far ↓
1 Ed Webb // Nov 2, 2008 at 5:19 pm
This becomes even more complex when we bring the other relevant actors into the scenario - administrators, parents, policy-makers. So some policy structures empower/force administrators and parents to validate or penalize certain choices on the part of teachers and students. “Teaching to the test” becomes the only choice for all but the bravest (or independently wealthy) teachers, since that is the conduct that will elicit validation and payrises… Anyone engaged in the educational enterprise is enmeshed in webs of power relations.
2 Frances // Nov 2, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Exactly Ed. I was thinking about this situation. A teacher wishing to make change has to exist within an institution or leave (thinking back to Lisa’s comments in Elluminate a couple of weeks ago). All I know about institutions is that they change very slowly. How can teachers become empowered to make change?
3 Ed Webb // Nov 2, 2008 at 11:47 pm
1. The Gandhi route: Become the change you wish to see.
2. The mod/ska route (thanks to The Redskins and The Style Council): Kick Over The Statues and Walls Come Tumbling Down.
3. The Chinese water torture route: drip, drip, drip and wear the buggers down.
Not sure which of those I prefer. I suspect 2 is ultimately unproductive, so the approaches requiring more patience will be the ones to actually change things.
4 Maru // Nov 4, 2008 at 12:46 am
Hi Frances and Ed!
Indeed, power within institutions is a complicated issue. Administration and Parents usually validate the teachers actions, for better of for worse I decided to leave; that didn’t solve the problem.
What I’ve seen that works is to model to fellow teachers and parents, it’s a very slow process but if you leave you just change interlocutors and find the same situation in other institutions.
Patient demonstration seems to be the way.
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