
“`And only ONE for birthday presents, you know. There’s glory for you!’
`I don’t know what you mean by “glory,”‘ Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. `Of course you don’t — till I tell you. I meant “there’s a nice knock-down argument for you!”‘
`But “glory” doesn’t mean “a nice knock-down argument,”‘ Alice objected.
`When _I_ use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
`The question is,’ said Alice, `whether you CAN make words mean so many different things.’
`The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master - - that’s all.’
” Alice Through the Looking Glass
I have come across an interesting set of posts on terminology recently.
Darren Kuropatwa said
“I hear a lot of effort poured into making a distinction that doesn’t exist. A network is a group. In particular a network is a type of group just as a community is a type of group. Online learning is about the formation of groups with a particular goal: education.”
But then Darren went on to claim values and characteristics for edublogging ‘community’ that marked it out from schoolyard cliques.
Stephen Downes does distinguish between groups and networks in a moving post that reveals some of the perils of groups, as well as their natural attraction to we social animals.
He says, “In my books, that line is the line between reason and emotion. To put it most simply, groups are based on passion while networks are based on reason.”
I find this separation between reason and emotion to be problematic - and wonder if that is a masculine model of communication. Whilst we do wish to engage in rational discourse, we are human beings with feelings. Even free speech comes with responsibilities.
Stephen goes on to recommend that the network be the preferred model for education, since he says that education should not be about socialisation.
“It seems clear to me that in endeavours where we, as a society, would prefer reason to prevail over emotions, we should prefer to organize ourselves as networks rather than as groups. It seems additionally to be clear to me that education is probably one of the most critical areas where this needs to be the case, as it will be necessary for citizens of the future to be able to respond to an increasing set of global crises from a ground of reason, rather than emotional attachment to a group.”
I am not sure that this separation of models is so clear cut - perhaps both models can be used differently at different times (contrast kindergarten with PhD Doctoral School) and in different types of education and learning.? But then, I do think that socialisation (including learning tolerance and respect for diversity) is part of education.
To get back to Humpty Dumpty, I came across (thanks to Nancy White) an interesting definition of social networking from Danah Boyd.
“A “social network site” is a category of websites with profiles, semi-persistent public commentary on the profile, and a traversable publicly articulated social network displayed in relation to the profile.” more
Danah got some lively comments on her definition
The three words groups, networks and community are particularly difficult because even before the Internet, they meant so many different things to different people.? That community has many different meanings may be part of its attraction, when used in advertising hype as a ‘warm glow’ word, implying good relations (Kogan 2000).
I think that we do need to agree definitions within certain contexts, or failing that be aware that we use terms differently.
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Kogan, M. (2000). Higher Education Communities and Academic Identity. Higher Education Quarterly, 54(3), 207-216.












6 responses so far ↓
1 Ed Webb // Oct 13, 2008 at 4:53 pm
I dropped in based on your post on the CCK08 Moodle. This is a great post, and one that points to where the discussion on ‘passion and reason’ and the need for a feminist critique could productively have gone. On the one hand, meanings are contingent, it is not essential that we nail down the meaning of the words we use in discussions of connective knowledge - meaning will emerge through those discussions. On the other, it is clear that there is a power-play at work, that in arguing (with both reason and passion) for certain definitions, Downes and some other participants are staking normative claims, and producing dividing lines that are likely to encourage elements of that particular learning network to become ‘groups’ - self-identified, or subject to othering (see thin-skinned geeks and trolls discussions ad nauseam), with all the exclusionary implications. `The question is, which is to be master - - that’s all.’ The whole is a fascinating experiment.
2 Frances // Oct 14, 2008 at 7:06 am
Thanks for your reply Ed - Did you notice the date on this post? I guess my views have not changed too much. The ‘passion and reason’ thread is one that merits further exploration. I find Downes’ dichotomy between networks and groups (or rather non-networks) really unhelpful and am still considering my ideas
3 Ed Webb // Oct 14, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Oh, I noticed the date, but also noticed how fresh and relevant this seems. And I loves me some Humpty-Dumpty.
I experience interesting dissonance around Stephen’s advocacy of networks as normatively superior to other kinds of human collectivities. I am fascinated by these emergent domains of knowledge production, consumption, reproduction etc. But I don’t necessary buy his association of ‘democracy’ with networks, and I see patterns in the course itself that point away from any identification of networked learning as inherently superior. We need a more focused discussion of power.
4 Frances // Oct 14, 2008 at 1:15 pm
The debacle of ‘words and meanings’ that was last week’s discussion was a great learning experience for me. It has given me some really good food for thought. I am still digesting
They are getting on to power but I am worried. We have seen ‘group’ reappropriated, now it’s systems and then it will be power.
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